Is David Dein an influence on the FA?
Chelsea manager Jose Mourinho has claimed Arsenal's vice chairman David Dein has influence on the Football Association in his position as one of four members representing the Premier League.
"After the first five games of next season's [CL] we have to play away while Arsenal are at home....We play Arsenal on a Sunday. Why? Because it's Arsenal and the game follows an international.....If I stay with Chelsea for five years maybe Mr Dein will not be with the FA anymore and Chelsea will have a different season. A person who works for a club should not work for the FA."
The other three members representing the Premier League are chairmen Phil Gartside, Robert Coar and Dave Richards, of Bolton wanderers, Blackburn Rovers and the Premier League respectively. In fairness to Mr Dein, these representatives are voted in by the Premiership chairmen, including Chelsea's. And one has to look at the positions of Mr Coar and Mr Gartside, do they have influence in regard to their respective clubs?
Whichever way your opinion sways, no doubt the FA will be calling on Mourinho yet again to explain himself. Personally, I cannot see enough to suggest Mr Dein has any influence, but then I looked at the fixture list for this coming season......
RedsMan.
posted by RedsMan at 7/13/2005 04:05:00 pm
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25 Comments:
Apparently nobody is allowed to speak their mind anymore, at least not Jose Mourinho. I think the FA are exploiting the fact that Chelsea are backed by Abromovich's millions & see this as a lucrative source of extra funds for the FA bank account, when they fine him & Chelsea football club.
Other less famous people in the game, or should I say less well off, can say what they like & nobody gives a damn.
7/13/2005 5:18 pm
Redsman, what follows is the comments made by the FA in reaction to yet another example of Mourinho's paranoia.
"The FA is extremely disappointed with the comments made by Jose Mourinho to the media yesterday.
"At a time when the football authorities are collectively striving to improve behaviour at all levels of the game, some of those views expressed by Mourinho are unnecessary, unhelpful, bad for the image of the game and inaccurate.
"The Arsenal Vice-Chairman David Dein is one of four members of The FA Board representing the FA Premier League. The four Premier League representatives are elected by the 20 member Premier League clubs (including Chelsea) to represent their views within The FA.
"We would like to state categorically that Mr Dein does not have any involvement within The FA’s Disciplinary or Compliance functions. It should also be made clear that he is not a member of The FA’s Disciplinary Committee.
"Therefore, Mr Dein does not have any input into any decisions to charge individuals or clubs with breaches of FA rules, nor in any judgement or punishment administered by a Disciplinary Commission.
"If any club or official has any comment or complaint to make about the role of any individual within the game, there are channels available to do this through clubs to the football authorities – not by individuals in a press conference.
"The FA is currently studying the comments made by Mr Mourinho."
If Mourinho seriously believes that
Dein is directing the Premier League computer programmers and Sky Sports in choosing when and where Chelsea plays, this says more about him than it does anything else.
Mourinho is deserving of severe punishment for this outburst. Again he brings the game into disrepute, is creating bad relations between football clubs, and is trying to smear Dein's name.
Redsman, Dein would have influence on the FA within the parameters of his elected role. But unless Mourinho can show us the evidence, any suggestion of a greater influence must be categorically rejected.
I hope you agree Redsman.
7/13/2005 5:23 pm
if dein is not an influence on the fa he should not be there
point proven
7/13/2005 5:27 pm
Yes..it seems ridiculous to me that the FA overreacts to comments from Jose at the drop of a hat. Maybe the potential of a large fine is suffcient incentive to continually bait him and CFC. The fact that Dien holds such a major post within the FA and the way things just fortuitously seem to fall out in the Arse n alls favour, reeks of corruption to anyone with a non Arsenal perspective. Come on you Blues..and may there always be people who speakout for what they know is the truth!!
7/13/2005 6:00 pm
he may not be involved directly with the decisions of the particular groups involved but as a high up official in the FA he as a freind and fellow workmate there he has a lot better chance than most to assert some subtle influence.Otherwise why should chelsea be fined 10 times what other clubs are.COME ON YOU BLUES....KTBFFH
7/13/2005 6:09 pm
i remember wenger getting fined for saying van nistelrooy is a cheat. what mourinho is saying about dein is no different so he should receive a fine aswell
7/13/2005 6:16 pm
Doesn't anyone here realize the premier league determine their fixture list not the FA?
You've got to learn that what comes out of Mourinho's mouth is just some spin dreamt up by someone who learnt their job at Millbank. Look for the story behind the sound-bite.
7/13/2005 6:37 pm
What's interesting is that Dein himself, and the 'moral' Mr Wenger, have failed to deny the 'tapping up' allegations. It seems to me Arsene Wenger knows he's guilty of that and has gone quiet.
I don't beleive that Dein has an effect on fixtures etc. but do feel that the FA should, as Mourinho puts it, be the FA and the clubs the clubs - otherwise people will always draw sinister conclusions from such incidents.
7/13/2005 6:42 pm
'moral' mr wenger as you put it has said he knows the club dont have anything to worry about with regards to the tapping up claims
7/13/2005 6:44 pm
I'd like to see Volter Roth fined for calling Mourinho the "enemy of football". If he can get away with that, surely what Mourinho said will go unpunished too?
7/13/2005 6:44 pm
Of course Mr 'Moral' said that. He's not going to admit it is he!? The fact that the players club are annoyed with him and the player himself admitted to the meeting, prove something happened. I say that Arsenal's current transfer embargo by FIFA should be brought into play!!!!
7/13/2005 6:46 pm
No Class??....*laughs*
Bit like Wenger and his cant see anything that goes on on the pitch..
If its chelsea then every one jumps on the band wagon...what about this Baptista and Arsenal's tapping up....not as good as a good ol' chelsea story for the back page so no one hears about it.
As for Dein, well he's had it in for Chelsea for ages and being in the positon he's in does make you think well is there anything in any of JM's comments..
Wasn't there some thing in place a while back that made life easier for clubs in the Champ League ..not to play away after an away champ league game...maybe\maybe not..cant remember exactly...
As for responsibility ..... *laughs*....how about the pizza affair with ManUre (worse than anythign JM could say tbh)...all the times arsenal players have cheated (Pires penalty dive against Everton springs to mind)... dont start having a go when your own club hardly has a perfect record.....
7/13/2005 7:06 pm
Didn't Wenger drag everyone down to his standards by saying that sumbody at Chelsea should show 'moral responsibility'.
Rich that - coming from a club that has its players involved in a physical fight at Old Trafford, throws pizza at the opposition after a game, has a suspended transfer embargo hanging over them, has collected god knows how many red cards since Wengers arrival, AND NOW taps up players too. . .
Think it's about time Mr Wenger and co shut up. Mourinho's point is proved.
7/13/2005 7:20 pm
If we still have coaches like JM who do not understand the running of FA,Then its apity. May be he should first attend some FA lessons but i ddont think he will even understand as i believe he is b***k.
7/13/2005 7:20 pm
Well said mate. Coming from a neutral here I think Mourinho was correct in what he said. He just phrased it a little bluntly that's all.
7/13/2005 7:21 pm
If he has something legitimate to complain about, then he should be allowed to complain. What troubles me is that he feels no responsibility to get the facts.
He was completely wrong following the Barcelona frisk situation. Never an apology.
He didn't learn there and then made the comment about the linesman in the liverpool cl match. Nevermind the near certain penalty right before and possibly cech being sent off for that penalty.
Now we have this. As someone has already noted, the FA has nothing to do with the premier league fixtures. Also, Ken Bates used to have a similar position on the FA board.
And finally, why is Jose only talking about league matches AFTER the champions league matches? Why not talk about the league matches BEFORE? If the computer did favor Arsenal, why did it hand Arsenal 6 AWAY matches before all their CL group matches and hand Chelsea 6 HOME matches before CL matches. Does anyone else find this 'strange'?
Perhaps there is a conspiracy to get Arsenal eliminated from the CL. As if Arsenal need any help being eliminated from the CL.
No, my big problem with Mourinho is his blatant disregard for the truth.
7/13/2005 7:26 pm
One of the ironies of all this is that Chelsea benefit greatly from a business structure and television deals that Dein has been instrumental in setting up in his capacity with the FA.
The tapping up thing is probably misunderstood by the public. Sevilla probably gave Arsenal the informal all clear that a deal would be done. Then Arsene may or may not have spoken with Baptista. If he did it was stupid and he should be done for 'tapping up'.
What Baptista said in the press, however, may not have been true, rather may have been an effort to get other clubs (Barcelona, e.g.) off their asses and make an offer for him.
Once Sevilla's fans hear about Baptista allegedly speaking with Wenger they are angry and the Chairman has to make it look like he is taking care of the fan's interests, so he sez it is all Arsenal's fault.
7/13/2005 7:52 pm
Lot of chelsea fans here bleating on about the pizza. uhhh, Wenger didn't throw the pizza. Cole did. You remember, that world class left back you wanted. And you went after him after he threw the pizza. What does that say about Chelsea?
And what about Wenger to shut up. Arsenal haven't said a thing. Mourinho brought all this up today. No one else was talking about it.
7/13/2005 7:54 pm
I didn't know that there was a formal complaint that arsenal tapped up anyone. If Seville had a legit claim they would make it rather than leak a rumpour to the press so that unsuspecting idiots would run with it. You're starting to embrace the smae kind of logic your manager does and come off equally ignorant.
7/13/2005 8:04 pm
Does this mean that Arsenal, who have formed well under Wenger's boot sale policy of grabbing a bargain and achieving a good dividend in return, are moving closer into a murky shadow of sleathly dealings while emanating to the world that they are one of the most holy of teams in the league?
Does Mourinho have a point? Since Arsenal are allegedly slipping away into a realm where they too are irresistable to tapping (Baptista), would that then imply, at the least, that Mr Dein's position as a rep with the FA is due to be untenable?
RedsMan.
7/13/2005 8:36 pm
Chelsea are becomig a bigger joke by the day. I can't even be angry at them...I just laugh
7/13/2005 9:33 pm
Redsman, you are posing supposition upon supposition upon supposition!
This is what Mourinho is also doing. To put it simply, he and his club should concentrate on running Chelsea and end this vendetta against Arsenal that is bad for football.
7/13/2005 11:26 pm
as far as i'm aware you can talk to a player aslong as you dont offer them a contract or tell them to join your club without permission from the players current club. all that baptista said was wenger want to know about him as a person. theres nothing wrong with talking about that
7/13/2005 11:58 pm
Well I , for one, am pleased to see Chelsea FC's official statement on the issue points to Arsenal's constant Chelsea bashing. All this about 'moral responsibility' and 'financial doping'- don't make me laugh. With the £20m+ you get from Viera will you not be financially doped? The fact is that Chelsea have sold more than they have brought this year by a long way. . . I don't see that at Arsenal.
Also, the poster above did not say that Wenger himself threw pizza - just that the club was involved in the incident.
Firther, whilst you are keen to deny the pizza incident I notice that nobody defends their clubs conduct with regards to the other issues involving mass brawls and transfer embargo's . . . guilty as Sin.
With regards to the tapping up incident, maybe Sevilla are going to use their common sense and not drag their player, their club, an opponent and football in general through the dirt. Perhaps an attitude Arsenal should have adopted with "colegate"?
7/14/2005 9:22 am
To clarify a few points raised in these comments.
Re suspended transfer embargo, Arsenal admitted the charge on Jan 24 2005, and the facts of the case display the infringement was minor and without intent. Read the following:
"The negotiations concerned youngster Quincy Owusu-Abeyie’s elevation from a scholarship to professional terms at Highbury and did not concern any transfer dealings with another club.
Arsenal admitted to paying the company, listed on the official FIFA website, an agent’s fee of £2,000 (€2,900) via the FA, but feel their transparency in the matter has been punished by the governing body.
A spokesman for the Gunners said: “It is important to note that the player was already a scholar registered with Arsenal and that the negotiations were not in relation to a transfer.
“The players representative is a partner in a company run by a FIFA licensed agent with whom the initial discussions were held.
“Arsenal mistakenly also believed that the representative was a licensed players agent. The agents fee of £2,000 (€2,900) was paid by Arsenal to the Company through the English FA.
“The incident was at worst a technical misdemeanour of administration and the club is contemplating an appeal, as it feels the penalty is disproportionate to any offence which may have been committed.
“Arsenal is fully aware of its obligations under the FIFA Players Agents Regulations and indeed has been at the forefront of strengthening the rules regarding agents.”
The FA warned the club as to its future conduct and the suspended transfer ban will last for two years from the first of next month.
The ban will be activated in the event of a further proven breach of the Players’ Agents Regulations before FIFA or The Football Association.
If activated, the ban will prohibit the club from any national or international transfers from the commencement and duration of the next operative transfer window."
The Baptista allegations, as AustinGunner said, is all heresay.
And I must disagree with the last commentator- to let Kenyon and Co get away with their blatant rule-infringements re Ashley Cole would mean that we might as well tear up the Premier league rulebook.
I respect Chelsea on the pitch. Their non-playing staff should take note.
7/14/2005 1:25 pm
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